Angels and demons...

Hello everyone.

Here we talk about guardian angels or whatever…
Tell me if I’m wrong, but angels are part of the major monotheistic religions and are supposed to be messengers of the God Yahweh… and to praise only him, of course.

Well, so far so good, but don't these same religions prohibit clairvoyance and all things esoteric??? I don't think so?
Briefly, is it possible that angels are not at all in agreement with what we are doing here? I’m just asking because I often notice this inconsistency on esoteric sites. Maybe I’m in the field, but whatever.

Personally, I believe that angels and demons exist, but they’re not what we think they are. On the other hand, I struggle with the idea of worshipping a single god and being punished if we don’t… I apologize if I offend, but I find God a bit fascist. The seven deadly sins, hell, etc.… It’s God who tortured the fallen angels, and all the violence committed in his name…

Notice; I don't find demons any better, but to be honest I find them less hypocritical, strangely... Do we see our angels? I don't think so: we see light, we receive telepathic messages, but we don't see them.

Yeah, we know demons aren’t always in a good mood lol, but they show themselves, they’re angry, etc., so we know what to expect.

Sometimes I have the impression that angels and demons manipulate us to their advantage. In short, I observe that we are never truly free as human beings; there is always someone telling us what to do. Even if we have free will, do we really use it? Or are angels guiding us, or is the devil taking advantage of our weaknesses?.. In any case, that’s my reflection. Sorry if it’s long.

Sincerely, Draconite:

It’s amusing to still hear this choice of defining positive and negative forces in those terms.

The only reason we give them meaning is that it is we who give it to them.

One must not look at what has always existed and believe that they are beings that materialize in forms similar to ours.

Begin to see the steps you are taking before you and notice the path you have just traveled; you may see the ups and downs, with the holes and bumps, that have led you to where you are today.

WELL DONE!

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A Zen master is not simply a teacher. In all religions, there are only teachers. They teach you subjects you do not know and ask you to believe because there is no other way to translate these experiences into objective reality. The teacher has not experienced them either—he believed them; he transfers his belief to someone else.
The world of Zen is not a world for believers. It is not meant for the faithful; it is for courageous souls who can let go: of belief, skepticism, doubt, reason, and the mind, and simply enter into their pure, limitless existence.
But this brings about an enormous transformation. So let me tell you that while others are engaged in philosophies, Zen is engaged in metamorphosis, in transformation. It is a true alchemy: it transforms you from base metal into pure gold. But its language must be understood, not with your intellectual and reasoning mind, but with your loving heart. Or even simply by listening, without even bothering to know whether it is true or false.
And suddenly a moment arrives when you see what has eluded you your entire life. Suddenly open what Gautama Buddha called the “eighty-four thousand doors.”

Osho Zen: The Solitary Bird, Cuckoo of the Forest Chapter 6

Comment:
The central figure of this card is seated on the vast flower of the void and holds in its hands the symbols of transformation.
The sword that cuts through illusion, the serpent that regenerates by shedding its skin, the broken chains of limitations, and the yin-yang symbol of transcending duality. One of her hands rests, open and receptive, on her knee. The other reaches down to touch the mouth of a sleeping face, which symbolizes the silence that emanates when we are at rest.
The time has come for a deep letting go. Allow all pain, sorrow, or difficulty to simply be there, and accept the facts. This is very similar to the experience of Gautama Buddha, who, after years of seeking, gave up, knowing that he could do no more. That very night, he attained enlightenment.
Transformation comes, like death, at its appointed hour, and like death, it takes you from one dimension to another.

OSHO TAROT

Friendships

Marie

Hello,
Thank you for your response, I find what is said interesting.
You shouldn't take everything I've written literally, and I don't think angels and demons can be transposed into our material reality... at least not for now.

On the other hand, I believe that some humans can glimpse the realities of other planes besides our own, and I strongly believe we have the power to do so to a certain extent. We are never alone, believe me.

In my opinion, we certainly have spiritual guides, but they are not there to do us favors.

According to your actions and your philosophy: your guides will be malevolent or benevolent.

Our deep inner self is also our best guide, as it is connected to the wisdom of the entire universe, and I fully agree that the shadow and the light
are not just the clichés we are shown in movies.

Also, I think that angels can be merciless and demons can show compassion… And us, who are we??? Where do we come from? Questions whose answers could be very different from what we can imagine. In short, the subject of this topic was intended to be a bit different from what is always found on esoteric sites; I just wanted to raise the question of guardian angels in a different way. I have difficulty accepting the idea of angels who grant our wishes; certainly, they are probably love and compassion, but they obey the strict orders of the Almighty, and I tend to question the established order… especially when it is an order imposed by force and governed by a single and unique entity (even if God is a metaphor…). Beliefs generate worlds that are very real, and many have long since created living hells, paradises, and so on. These worlds therefore truly exist. Still, according to me, in accordance with my deepest self: something exists as long as it is thought.

Alright, I'm stopping my novel :-X

As I was explaining to a woman this afternoon, angels and demons are merely energy, whether positive or negative; it is their own use of it that will bring good or evil around them.
As for spiritual guides, I would lean more toward entities that have evolved to offer advice on choices we will have to make sooner or later, but which ultimately will have no weight in the balance we will have struck regarding that existing choice.

You must understand that believing what people write is not the right or wrong word; you must know how to read the words that are there and understand the double meaning of the words one can read. The same applies to cards and clairvoyance, because we hold a truth and not what is actually happening.

Faith remains unshakable (I believe I mentioned this in another post), whereas belief remains easily shaken until the day all your illusions crumble.

I hope you will realize that nothing is fixed and that everything is in motion in life, especially when we believe that everything is the way it is and not otherwise.

But if you respond, it means that it struck a chord with you somewhere, and that you are coming to seek information or to share your own vision of things.

But we're straying from the main topic, and that's not the debate I want to open.

Here you go, and happy reading.

An orientalist wrote, like many sages or beings journeying through life

We own nothing.
and because this nothing exists
We can act and create.

In this complete original nudity, we rediscover our ancient memories.

I remain a novice when it comes to the energies of angels or so-called light beings.

The thought that this light is what binds me to the living and to the cosmos teaches me not to do to others what would undoubtedly be a sharing, whether in the negative or the positive; we are the authors of what binds us to the living, and each day we encounter beauty without lingering, for unconsciously it is not permitted to us.

Guides, angels, or other dimensions of the divine do not imply verbal terms or intellectual reflections, and if such an encounter ever takes place, I would keep it silent, not out of shame, but simply to pay homage to them.

Your debate is interesting, and I appreciate the humility that comes through, as well as this plurality and this attitude of heart and intelligence, as you express it.

Thank you for that.

Lolly

Thank you for this beautiful text full of wisdom.
And I agree, everything is nothing but energy and not characters… in my view, the important thing is to respect everyone’s philosophy, because no one holds THE absolute truth; we only know fragments of it, and it is through respectful discussion that we can form our own opinion. I started the debate with preconceived notions (mine and others’) precisely to go beyond appearances or beliefs. Please respond in this manner.