JEALOUSY Have you ever experienced it, or is it simply something you have?

a terrible burden

Why are there jealous people?

while other people, whatever their circumstances

do not know this torpor within her, this inner gnawing

What feelings can be attributed to jealousy?

Are we not being misunderstood about this state?

And isn't it often a feeling of abandonment that leads to anger, rather than that so-called jealous state?

It seems to me that when we translate this into another term, we understand that jealousy is a need to understand one's inner suffering in the face of betrayal... to accept an internal assessment.
There is passive jealousy, also known as “silent” jealousy.
and active jealousy, namely “cried out, proclaimed”

But there are other interesting dimensions to that.

the one where we ultimately heal ourselves and realize that we do not control the outside world, but we can master our inner anger and reveal our loving nature in the face of conflicts arising from the unshared verb "to love"

Is no longer loving someone a betrayal?

I don't think that's a betrayal.

It is simply a different evolution and ultimately a respect

because I believe that it is by expressing jealousy that one creates attachment, and not by taking the care and elegance to understand that we progress differently, and it is precisely in this that we must protect the uniqueness of the other and accept the difference in their path.

for, at the risk of shocking you,

It is not the jealous one who is the victim.

but rather the one who dares to say, “I’m leaving you because I cannot respect the person you are, and all I can offer you is anxiety and uncertainty.”

Food for thought…

But I remain open to your feelings about this.

having as experience only an aggregate of external discoveries and not a lived experience

Thank you for your comments or experiences on this.

Best regards

Lolly

Hello Lolly!

Jealous people are primarily marked by a need for narcissistic affection, which leads them to believe that the other person belongs to them, resulting in a pathological possessiveness that causes them internal suffering and ultimately suffocates the other person.

Best regards
The magician.

Yes, you are right about that.

But what about this guilt that has shaped it since childhood?

Hence the importance of growing in love before wanting to share it one day without expecting any result for one’s own ego—NO, ???

BEC
lolly

Hello Lolly,

What shapes this is the narcissistic and capricious aspect of a jealous person’s personality, who believes from the very beginning, even from childhood, that they can get away with anything.
Yes, I agree regarding the sharing of universal love, but not regarding that of individualism/couple/relationships for some.

Bec
The magician.

Hello, for me, the victim of jealousy is the person who lives with their abusive jealousy on a daily basis. I’m not saying it doesn’t make life impossible for the partner or the people in their circle, whether they are aware of it or not; the worst part is the unconscious, which can lead to uncontrollable madness, possessing the other person in a climate of suffering and abuse!
For me, it's impossible to live with…

Hello Bealam,

Your answer is very interesting!

I quote you:
For me, it's impossible to live with…

Which part of the “self” do you think is experiencing this?

BEC

lolly

Hello Ovid!
We belong to no one! I can’t stand having my life made complicated, enduring it without really knowing why, feeling powerless in the face of this attitude, it’s destabilizing, disturbing, we no longer know whether what we do is right or wrong, we become victims in a sphere of total incomprehension…

loss of communication

Yes, indeed.

Thank you for sharing this.

Best regards

Lolly

Thanks a lot for sharing this!
exchange our ideas, with our own visions of how to see things,
That's what drives progress.
Best regards
Beatrice

Yes, I have already experienced jealousy.

I was jealous of a person who had a lot of ease in learning and who got excellent grades... and I had to learn everything by heart. In the end, I know that I also have skills.

Here is another form of jealousy: I know a woman who will end up “imprisoning” her partner or driving him away out of jealousy and possessiveness. I would call this type of jealousy near-pathological. It is like the woman who gets pregnant just to “catch” her “lover” or force him to divorce. Is this form of jealousy healthy?

Hello Loola,

No form of jealousy is healthy, as it prevents the other person from breathing and prevents us from living in peace, because the jealous person will always be poisoning their own life by tormenting their mind with a thousand and one questions.
You simply have to try to trust the other person.

Friendship
The magician.

I also felt that no form of jealousy can be healthy.

Does jealousy arise from a surge of envy or from a sense of possessiveness? I suppose it depends on the circumstances.

Jealousy is a choice

Only the human being is convinced that it is someone else's fault

the day he realizes that he is a free being

Perhaps he will no longer need to carry this cross in his soul…

bec

lolly

No, I don't think jealousy is a fault. It's a state of mind and a way of thinking for a person, but I'm not sure it makes them feel any better.
We are all born free, said a friend. And no one owns us, and we own no one.

Hello Loola and Lolly,

Jealousy is above all a desire for possessiveness.

Best regards
The magician.

No thought is a fault, provided it does not infringe on the freedom of others

One can feel loved without resorting to anxieties stemming from an inner imbalance.

for that is what jealousy, possessiveness, envy, or covetousness is called; it is by confronting things that one understands one's nature and one's path

You are right, it is not a fault, it is a misunderstanding of his feelings that often escapes reason.

Who has not experienced the feeling of being so close to someone that they forget one cannot violate the other’s feelings

We can simply share and learn to move forward in life.

bec

lolly

We are born bound to the Mother, and it is thus that we will seek our attachments and our need to love.

Learning to let go is a lifelong journey.

And despite all our efforts, we will return to attachment if we do not know how to realize ourselves in this attachment.

to welcome and allow this to unfold through our experiences

Do not forget who we are

a being who needs to love and be loved

Jealousy can be a bridge to cross, not a place to linger.

What may seem frightening is the pain it causes if one does not let go of this external state.

This resembles the elephant parable; perhaps some of you know it.

Food for thought

lolly

Well, I’m a bit in the dark because personally I don’t really know how to define myself, and even less so the why and how (regarding jealousy), so I wouldn’t be of any use in this debate!!!
Otherwise, all I'll do is read and try to understand, that's the best I can do, hiihihihi

See you later, Lady Sally

I don't know the elephant story! If you have a moment, I would be happy to learn about it; perhaps it will be a positive turning point in my life.
A very sloppy kiss
lady :-*

Jealousy is both hell and paradise.

for both remain their own creation in love

Sometimes jealousy brings about this realization of the greatness of love

Where it goes wrong is when we become hooked on it, as if it were the only possible attitude in the face of what will inevitably escape us, out of fear, simply put.

You're pointing out the problem, Lady.

As for the elephant story, I’ll write it for you. I don’t know if it will help you get a sense of the situation, but it’s an interesting story.

Cheers to you, delicious child

lolly